i agree olly.....6x9 on an mdf shelf sound great....ive got them on my mk1 & 2 8o) .................acf am i correct in saying you feel a 2 speaker system......is better :? ?! ...................or do you just mean on the rear shelf of mk3s there is no need for them ?! [ Edited Sun Jul 25 2004, 01:45AM ] [ Edited Sun Jul 25 2004, 01:47AM ]