lol so true mate,i mean the other week i had a 16v clio keep with me through 2nd gear,now ok he only had say 140 ish bhp,but having owned a few i know how quick they are,and also how short ratio the box is,i know i was half way through 3rd when he was goin into 4th. oh and by then i was half way down the dual carrageway too lol now he could say i kept with a vr and fair play he wasnt far at lower speeds,but thats what they were made for,the fact that the vr can carry on to 150 with no strain and keep it up all day long is a fact i can live with