J5KE F 0 Posted October 30, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 30, 2011 so many projects only one Stiggy !! lolU dont know the half of it...... Link to post Share on other sites
Ben Seabrook 4 Posted October 30, 2011 Report Share Posted October 30, 2011 I think its better we don't know just in preperation for the fateful day when you say the magic words " Hi please meet my other half" ;) Link to post Share on other sites
J5KE F 0 Posted October 30, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 30, 2011 found this on atruck site..Quite interesting really..Dual mass vs single mass:Some notes on application pros and cons:The dual mass systems are designed to transmit less engine vibration to the driveline, and give a better more car like driving experience. They also reduce some of the jarring and stress on the transmission and remainder of the drivetrain. They work fine as long as the engine remains unmodified and the vehicle is not used/abused beyond manufacturers recommendations.As soon as you start to increase the engine power over stock, or load the vehicle beyond design parameters, you run into problems. Dual mass flywheels are tuned systems and must be matched to the engine torque curve, engine resonant characteristics, vehicle load curves (including axle ratio/tire size calculations). They work by having a set of springs inserted between two rotating masses (thus dual mass). The springs are sized to soak up some of the resonant vibration from the diesel engine under load conditions. A dual mass fly wheel generally also contains an over torque friction release, so if it gets suddenly overloaded, rather than damage the springs, it slips. This works fine as a safety valve, but if it does it much it burns up. In short, overloaded they burn up and the springs get destroyed and they are worse than if it were a single mass FW.The single mass part WILL tend to transmit more engine pulse (vibration) tot he drivetrain, and will seem a bit rougher. But it is straight forward to design a single mass flywheel and clutch package for pretty much any engine torque curve and vehicle loading combo you can come up with. Drives more like a truck, but has much better reliability at extreme use levels. Link to post Share on other sites
J5KE F 0 Posted October 30, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 30, 2011 I think its better we don't know just in preperation for the fateful day when you say the magic words " Hi please meet my other half" ;) And yarp! Soo true Link to post Share on other sites
Ben Seabrook 4 Posted October 30, 2011 Report Share Posted October 30, 2011 you knows it Stiggy ! look forward to seeing this up and running again soon mate, then you can leave nee naw at home ! Link to post Share on other sites
J5KE F 0 Posted October 30, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 30, 2011 What about one of these..??http://www.034motorsport.com/clutches-flywheels-spec-clutches-flywheels-volkswagen-golf-iv-04-05-32l-fitsr32-sv235-volkswagen-golf-iv-04-05-32l-fitsr32-stage-p-17084.html Link to post Share on other sites
cabrioman 6 Posted October 30, 2011 Report Share Posted October 30, 2011 now that is an on/off switch ..... Link to post Share on other sites
J5KE F 0 Posted November 3, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 3, 2011 After a lengthy discussion with Andy i'm gonna sticknto the dual mass..Just gotta source one thats going to be most suitable..Found this little youtube clip for those that on know how it works that makes a little more sence! Link to post Share on other sites
cabrioman 6 Posted November 3, 2011 Report Share Posted November 3, 2011 just done a DMF on a mk5 golf at work !!! ... Link to post Share on other sites
legvw 0 Posted November 3, 2011 Report Share Posted November 3, 2011 I don't think that's the right choice, but it's your car mate, so go with what you want Link to post Share on other sites
cabrioman 6 Posted November 3, 2011 Report Share Posted November 3, 2011 see whos clutch last the longest mine, craigs and your single mass (the correct choice) or jakes Dual Mass ( wrong choice) ......place your bets place your bets lol Link to post Share on other sites
AJmk2 2 Posted November 4, 2011 Report Share Posted November 4, 2011 I don't think that's the right choice' date=' but it's your car mate, so go with what you want [/quote']I think I would agree with that also. Unless you can find a dual mass that has been designed to withstand the amount of power you are making which I cant think there is, or if you are worried that your gearbox is the weak link and you would rather the clutch went first. Would be interesting to learn why Andy has chosen that. Link to post Share on other sites
J5KE F 0 Posted November 4, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 4, 2011 My understanding of the reason is running this power through the setup has caused crank shafts to dissintigrate on a couple of occasions and by purposely using a DMF as the weak point we should offer a margin of protection to the engine and transmition..With that reasoning I kind of agree that id rather replace a flywheel and clutch than a total engine rebuild.. Link to post Share on other sites
Caddyslammed 16 Posted November 4, 2011 Report Share Posted November 4, 2011 Surely there is a way to make it more reliable?, I mean dissintigrating cranks?, that's crazy at 600 bhp or so surely?, I mean that's not hideous Power, although very nice :-), it would be nice to use the power and not have to rely On a known weakpoint that is surely gonna spoil your fun? ;-), are there any other options mate? Link to post Share on other sites
Caddyslammed 16 Posted November 4, 2011 Report Share Posted November 4, 2011 Oh if you are running more Like 800/900 torque then ignore me ;-p Link to post Share on other sites
bungy 2 Posted November 4, 2011 Report Share Posted November 4, 2011 This has turned into a bit of a clutch discussion but to add my 2 pence worth. The dual mass items are balanced for the power/torque of the engine. Plenty of other cars manage with single mass without destroying the crankshaft. I really can't see an argument for sticking with dual mass in a car like yours but i'll be more than happy to help you tow it back from the Pod..... Link to post Share on other sites
jims13 6 Posted November 4, 2011 Report Share Posted November 4, 2011 dual mass is for girls.. real men do it with single mass.but i get your point jake, although i cant see the validity of it, surely just feed in the power via the fancy ecu you have ? Link to post Share on other sites
AJmk2 2 Posted November 5, 2011 Report Share Posted November 5, 2011 Pretty sure that 1000hp + "R36" consists of an R32 block with R36 head could be worth asking him what he has done to strengthen the bottom end. Link to post Share on other sites
J5KE F 0 Posted December 31, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 31, 2011 Plan is by the end of jan to have this back together and running! Link to post Share on other sites
bungy 2 Posted December 31, 2011 Report Share Posted December 31, 2011 Bring it on. Link to post Share on other sites
matty.vrt 120 Posted January 1, 2012 Report Share Posted January 1, 2012 if your planning on keeping the dual mass flywheel you may as well keep the standard clutch as well because trust me you will be spliting your engine and box in no time to fit single mass flywheel because the duel has failed, i see the whole leaving a weak point idea but one that means removing the gearbox may not be wise. Link to post Share on other sites
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