Charging and Turbos

[vr6matt 0]

Hi All,

Just a bit confuseled as to what is the cheaper option... I always thought charging was the chepaest option for a VR coming in at about 2.5k, and turbos where more around the 4k mark?

I ask as i am having a heated debate with someone else on another forum! lol

Thanks in advance

Matt

[katconcarne 0]

charging cheaper, but more power from turbo, i´d agree with your prices too!

Katie (@)

[Russ_vr6 12]

i can get both mate for $2000 all in,with management that will run with uk ucu's,im findin out atm to c how many i can get

[katconcarne 0]

1100 british pounds? bargain!

[Eat this 2]

bloody hell thats cheap

[matth76 1]

Is that after its been imported?

[mk3anni 0]

£1100, plus VAT, Import Duty, Shipping, then converting the kit to RHD???????

Is it a decent quality turbo??

Who is the managent software by??

[Russ_vr6 12]

nope,thats an all in price, i know itt sounds cheap but a tuner mate of mine imports them and it is set for uk market,as he fits them regularly, like i said im finding out how many kits i can get

and im finding out all details of the kit so bare with me

[goonersteve 0]

ooooh :-# :-# :-* :-d

[IbiVR 0]

Its not as expensive as it once was. Depends on the power your after.

Personally i wouldnt bother with a stage 1 turbo kit - 6psi and around 270 isnt bad, but its not really worth the greif and if thats the sort of power your after supercharging may be a better bet.

If you have the choice of a low pressure supercharger or turbo kit for $2000 then i'd be looking at the supercharger option.

For more power then turbo is the choice, but its still not all that expensive as it was. you dont need the more expensive ball bearing turbos on a vr as you have more displacement to spin a roller bearing turbo up quickly.

You can easily build a reliable 400bhp turbo vr for £2.5k we've done a few!

Tom.

[mike 6]

You can easily build a reliable 400bhp turbo vr for £2.5k we've done a few!

Tom.

didnt know that

[cadguy77 0]

You can easily build a reliable 400bhp turbo vr for £2.5k we've done a few!

Tom.

So if i came to your place with £2.5k, I could walk away with a 400bhp VR? (goes off to find cheque book)

[tubby 0]

I`m up for a 400bhp vr6 for 2.5k details details details.

excited virgin

splat

[Eat this 2]

£2500 all in omfg will the gearbox/tranny live with the torque? (im gfuessing 310-340 lb ft)

[tubby 0]

Is it designadubs who did the turbo kit for 2.5k because i have just had a look at the website and its talking about 3.5ik +vat for just 350bhp it dont sound much like 2.5k for 400bhp and i was getting my hopes up too i just hope the website is wrong please please please.

anxious

very anxious

virgin

[IbiVR 0]

So if i came to your place with £2.5k' date=' I could walk away with a 400bhp VR? (goes off to find cheque book)

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No, thats for parts.

We are working on a full kit, but tbh theres so many options on turbos and intercoolers we find people like to get the main bits from us and sort there own piping etc.

Tom.

[Eat this 2]

we want a basic 300 bhp kit plz lol

[IbiVR 0]

£2500 all in omfg will the gearbox/tranny live with the torque? (im gfuessing 310-340 lb ft)

All in no, thats parts. You have to fit em yourself

Gearbox is a odd - one - depends who you speak to. there are a few tales of stripped third gears, but compared to the number of turbo vr's in the US its a possibilty, not a probabilty. If you want to go stupid power you could cro treat your gears for around £150 that makes them a little less brittle, or if your feeling flush you can get a replacement gearset. These handle the power but wear alot quicker.

I'm not saying you need a new box - heard of no box problems from people using our stuff so far - not to say it wont ever happen.

Traction wise, I would say a LSD diff is a wise move. Can get the power down nice with little or no wheelspin even in my light ibiza.

Tom.

[tubby 0]

So ibi are you saying that you can get ALL THE PARTS to make the turbo kit up to 400bhp for 2.5k but parts only ?

If so its still a feckin great deal.

What type of turbo are you getting for that type of money ?

Does it include piggyback ecu ?

CHEERS

VIRGIN

[IbiVR 0]

So ibi are you saying that you can get ALL THE PARTS to make the turbo kit up to 400bhp for 2.5k but parts only ?

Yes. It is possible to get all the parts for that. Currently we can offer some of the parts - RHD manifold' date=' compression reducing spacers, gaskets, injectors, oil lines etc. The other parts can be sourced quite easily - we are in the process of testing products, but dont want to include stuff that wont last for the sake of sorting a kit quickly.

We are selling a number of partial kits and are listening careful to feedback from people as to what other parts they are using and how they find them, as well as testing alot of things ourselves.

What type of turbo are you getting for that type of money ?

We have found - both from testing here and from VRT owners in the US, that the best all rounder (early spool, reliability, cost) is the T04E - a T3/T4 hybrid. It is older technology journal bearing but the vr will spin it up nice and early and its more than capable of supplying the relativly low boost needed for a vr. We are testing a few varietys and once we are completly happy we can finalise the boost piping to match

Does it include piggyback ecu ?

Yes the ~£2500 i quoted included cost for a chip/remap.

I will keep you informed as and when - if demand is high enough we will finish a complete kit.

In the meantime if you are interested in a partial kit, then we are more than happy to point you in the direction of the other bits you will need.

Tom

[RIX 0]

£2500 all in omfg will the gearbox/tranny live with the torque? (im gfuessing 310-340 lb ft)

try something like 400lb ft.

thats what they have in dk whit only 300bhp

[matth76 1]

So if i came to your place with £2.5k' date=' I could walk away with a 400bhp VR? (goes off to find cheque book)

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No. thats for parts. we dont work on cars anymore.

We are working on a full kit, but tbh theres so many options on turbos and intercoolers we find people like to get the main bits from us and sort there own piping etc.

Tom.

What company do you work for mate? Do you have a website? Sounds very good to get all the parts for around £2.5k. Would that be good for 400bhp? What torque would it be able to produce? I already have one of Stealth's 'rechips' so I assume I would be looking at a further £300 on top for Vince to remap it all. What is your RHD manifold made of? Is it same as stock - cast iron?

Obviously LSD is extra... any idea how much this would be...are we talking around £2k for LSD fully fitted by a specialist? And what about a new uprated clutch, would this be a good idea to handle all the torque?

So does the turbo you mention spool up very quickly? I assume to keep things reliable in the engine the compression would have to be lowered to around 8:1?

And finally would you know how many hours approx it would take a specialist to fit all the parts (excluding remap)?

Cheers for your help.

[antera309 3]

ibiVR, there is a large potential market for an "off the shelf" (obvoiusly less ECU work) turbo kit for the RHD VR6. If you decided to start selling such a kit, I'm sure there would be plenty of takers. Maybe even a group buy.

[IbiVR 0]

What company do you work for mate? Do you have a website? Sounds very good to get all the parts for around £2.5k.

At the moment we are doing all the R&D into several VR6 products and kits. These are selling more and more and with the interest and custom we have had so far we can start to develop a full time business. In the meantime its a little slow going as we all have day jobs!

Would that be good for 400bhp? What torque would it be able to produce? I already have one of Stealth's 'rechips' so I assume I would be looking at a further £300 on top for Vince to remap it all.

The parts we have are good for over 400bhp - it all depends on the remap and how much boost you want to run. a vr running a compression reducing spacer can happily hold on to 1 bar' date=' which is around 400bhp, so its a good figure to go for. If its too much for you, you can just bleed off some boost, if you feel a bit daring then up the boost, and your away.

We are working on code and the kit will ship with a generic chip. It is perfectly possible to have a one for all chip as the standard ecu can cope with varing boost as its a maf based system. More boost means the ecu sees more load. As long as some variables stay the same - Injector size, fuel pressure, maf type then the code we have runs like a stock vr..

The OBD1 chip works a treat, OBD2 is coming along.

You may want to get a full remap if you prefer, or if you have other mods - cams etc that might play a part - if this is the case we will be able to supply the kit without code for you to sort yourself.

We are looking at around £200-£250 for the code so we could take that off the final kit price for those that prefer a custom remap.

Give it a chance though - once we are happy with it we will post some dyno plots of it so you can see the power curves and the results - then you can make your own mind up.

What is your RHD manifold made of? Is it same as stock - cast iron?

Yes the manifold is cast iron and made for RHD fitment. We have a car that is running a HUGE T70 with no clearance problems.

Obviously LSD is extra... any idea how much this would be...are we talking around £2k for LSD fully fitted by a specialist? And what about a new uprated clutch' date=' would this be a good idea to handle all the torque?

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Yes LSD would be extra. Peloquins can be had for around £500 and you'd be looking at about the same to fit it i would think.

I am running a Helix clutch, some of our customer cars are still running standard clutch with no slippage as yet - but imo it would be worth doing

So does the turbo you mention spool up very quickly? I assume to keep things reliable in the engine the compression would have to be lowered to around 8:1?

The turbo type we are using spools at around 2500 rpm - enough to get it off the line in 1st' date=' but then stay in boost while driving it enthusiastically, or keep it below 2500-3000rpm and drive off boost for pootling around and better gas mileage!

We recommend dropping the compression for anything over 6psi. We supply a head gasket with spacer that drops it to ~8.5:1

And finally would you know how many hours approx it would take a specialist to fit all the parts (excluding remap)?

The 2 hard parts to the kit are installing the spacer (same as a HG change) and the code. The kit will come with a chip that you can put in the ecu. Its a tad tricky to unsolder the stock chip but not impossible. We may decide to offer an exchange service wherabouts we can supply the ECU in exchange for your std unit. Bear in mind there a few ecu types - obd1, obd2 4 wire maf, 5 wire maf, 2.8 2.9 etc so we are working our way through them and adjusting code to make it spot on for each.

If you prefer to go for a remap then enquire with them as to how long that will take.

If you know your way round a vr headgasket swap you can do the conversion in a weekend - so budget for about 2 days labour.

As mentioned before, we have most of the parts to do it. We need to make sure we have a reliable, yet inexpensive turbo that we can assure a long term supply of, same with intercooler. That way we can get the pipes and silicon made up that will be the correct fitment. time after time.

ibiVR' date=' there is a large potential market for an "off the shelf" (obvoiusly less ECU work) turbo kit for the RHD VR6. If you decided to start selling such a kit, I'm sure there would be plenty of takers. Maybe even a group buy.

[/quote']

Thats great to hear - many thanks for the interest. Its nice to know the effort were putting into this will not be in vain!

Tom.

[tubby 0]

Thats good to know ibi good comprehensive info so far keep it coming i am half way to afording it as i am selling my schrick i just bought to part fund

cheers

virgin