mickelson 0 Posted December 7, 2004 Report Share Posted December 7, 2004 Can someone please clarify for me the difference between OBD1 & 2. I have a 96P VR, with coil pack etc. Is this the OBD2. Link to post Share on other sites
binliner 0 Posted December 7, 2004 Report Share Posted December 7, 2004 yes it is Link to post Share on other sites
mickelson 0 Posted December 7, 2004 Author Report Share Posted December 7, 2004 Cheers M8 Link to post Share on other sites
binliner 0 Posted December 7, 2004 Report Share Posted December 7, 2004 this thread covers a lot of it... http://www.vr6golf.co.uk/forum_viewtopic.php?2.39700 Link to post Share on other sites
binliner 0 Posted December 7, 2004 Report Share Posted December 7, 2004 And to put the cat amngst the pigeons a bit, this is an excerpt from a post by Vince at Stealth regarding rolling roads..."I?ve had 3 yrs + dyno experience on VAG cars and this is what I have found...Totally standard VR6 OBD 1 VAG say 173bhp: Stealth measure under 180bhp (but high 170?s) Totally standard VR6 OBD 2: Stealth measure 185bhp-192 bhp. VW quoted BHP same as OBD1 but you only have to drive one to realise straight away the OBD2 is quicker.Corrado VR6: VAG say 193bhp, Stealth measure 190bhp-195bhp There is always the exception to the rule, I?ve seen some standard cars produce way over standard spec BHP, maybe a Monday morning engine? I know I used to have a Friday afternoon 16V Golf, poo power horrible to drive no matter what I did to it tuning wise...Regards Vince www.stealthracing.co.uk "Im just off to get my flame proof suit Link to post Share on other sites
mickelson 0 Posted December 7, 2004 Author Report Share Posted December 7, 2004 binliner, thanx 4 that, i have read the thread, kinda clears things up really. cheers Link to post Share on other sites
Eat this 2 Posted December 7, 2004 Report Share Posted December 7, 2004 i got 198 from few mods so i reckon my engine was built on tue pm or wed am lol Link to post Share on other sites
binliner 0 Posted December 7, 2004 Report Share Posted December 7, 2004 lol Link to post Share on other sites
acf8181 0 Posted December 7, 2004 Report Share Posted December 7, 2004 And to put the cat amngst the pigeons a bit' date=' this is an excerpt from a post by Vince at Stealth regarding rolling roads..."I?ve had 3 yrs + dyno experience on VAG cars and this is what I have found...Totally standard VR6 OBD 1 VAG say 173bhp: Stealth measure under 180bhp (but high 170?s) Totally standard VR6 OBD 2: Stealth measure 185bhp-192 bhp. [b']VW quoted BHP same as OBD1 but you only have to drive one to realise straight away the OBD2 is quicker.Corrado VR6: VAG say 193bhp, Stealth measure 190bhp-195bhp There is always the exception to the rule, I?ve seen some standard cars produce way over standard spec BHP, maybe a Monday morning engine? I know I used to have a Friday afternoon 16V Golf, poo power horrible to drive no matter what I did to it tuning wise...Regards Vince www.stealthracing.co.uk "Im just off to get my flame proof suit no need to dig out the fireproof's...i'm in a good mood today lol. to be fair thats what you would expect, but going on the vr6oc RR day results you'd have to disagree. plus, i had a go in my mates highline the other day, totally standard, and it was noticeably slower than mine (no mods except VT mounts and drilled airbox!. now, without putting them both on an RR is hard to say whether its that mine is very healthy or if the highline is one of the less powerful ones...prob a bit of both i suspect. if mine holds together long enough i'll try and get on the next RR day...but i doubt it will as have confirmed to me that the diff's about to pop! eek! (got a spare box in my garage but need a nother selector rod for it) Link to post Share on other sites
binliner 0 Posted December 7, 2004 Report Share Posted December 7, 2004 whatever makes you think that comment was aimed at you mate?! like he says there are always exceptions to the rule I just thought it made interesting reading Link to post Share on other sites
acf8181 0 Posted December 8, 2004 Report Share Posted December 8, 2004 lolbut looking at this sites RR day results you'd have to say there is no rule. Link to post Share on other sites
Nerih 0 Posted December 8, 2004 Report Share Posted December 8, 2004 sorry, but most of its down to serendipity, there are so many factors that lead to this ON TOP of the car being ODB II etc, like temperature and the chaos factor (which is what i meant by serendipity)its wednesday morning...and i feel crap, so any weekday is no good for engine manufactur...bring on friday. Link to post Share on other sites
Eat this 2 Posted December 8, 2004 Report Share Posted December 8, 2004 lolbut looking at this sites RR day results you'd have to say there is no rule.the only rule is theres no replacement for displacementexept POSSIBLY turbochargers but they aint linear so cubes still rock hehe Link to post Share on other sites
binliner 0 Posted December 8, 2004 Report Share Posted December 8, 2004 lolbut looking at this sites RR day results you'd have to say there is no rule.I dont know if I play devils advocate for a minute...if you ignore the supercharged cars... of the 6 obd1 cars, 2 are in the top half and 4 in the bottom half... in other words 8 of the top 10 are obd2... tbh our rr results arent a fair comparison though because theres a lot more obd2 cars than obd1 Link to post Share on other sites
six appeal 53 Posted December 8, 2004 Report Share Posted December 8, 2004 EVERY RR day I've ever been on (not just the VR6oc) the majority of OBD2 cars have always come out on top, especially when they are all standard.Is it me or is that just coincidence? Link to post Share on other sites
antera309 3 Posted December 8, 2004 Report Share Posted December 8, 2004 Perhaps the OBD2s lose less power with mileage than the OBD1s...What about fuel economy? do OBD2s do a higher average mpg? Link to post Share on other sites
acf8181 0 Posted December 8, 2004 Report Share Posted December 8, 2004 i don't think we'll ever truely get to the bottom of this as there is too many variable factors.at the end of the day its only a few bhp either way.i certainly wouldn't say to anyone 'don't get an obd1, get an obd2 they're more powerful'...but i might say 'don't get an obd1 as obd2's have better brakes' - thats the only big advantage i see.a good vr6 is a good vr6 at the end of the day, who cares what year it is.everyone agree thats a fair round up? Link to post Share on other sites
binliner 0 Posted December 8, 2004 Report Share Posted December 8, 2004 a good vr6 is a good vr6 at the end of the day' date=' who cares what year it is.[/quote']absolutely Link to post Share on other sites
mk3anni 0 Posted December 8, 2004 Report Share Posted December 8, 2004 My ODB11 car only put out 177 at the RR, have since chaged plugs and will get an oil change before the Jan session, see if its pulled the BHP back. Link to post Share on other sites
six appeal 53 Posted December 8, 2004 Report Share Posted December 8, 2004 i don't think we'll ever truely get to the bottom of this as there is too many variable factors.at the end of the day its only a few bhp either way.i certainly wouldn't say to anyone 'don't get an obd1' date=' get an obd2 they're more powerful'...but i might say 'don't get an obd1 as obd2's have better brakes' - thats the only big advantage i see.a good vr6 is a good vr6 at the end of the day, who cares what year it is.everyone agree thats a fair round up?[/quote']LOL, nah thats crap, get an OBD2 cos there faster, stop quicker, better spec'd and timing chains seem to last longer! LOL! Now where's my flame suit! Link to post Share on other sites
binliner 0 Posted December 8, 2004 Report Share Posted December 8, 2004 LMAO! Link to post Share on other sites
six appeal 53 Posted December 8, 2004 Report Share Posted December 8, 2004 Ps. and forgot to add in better colours too, LOL! Link to post Share on other sites
binliner 0 Posted December 8, 2004 Report Share Posted December 8, 2004 what black u mean? Link to post Share on other sites
six appeal 53 Posted December 8, 2004 Report Share Posted December 8, 2004 LOL, your 'sposed to be on my side Justin! Think you forgot the berry of black in your post! LOL! Link to post Share on other sites
binliner 0 Posted December 8, 2004 Report Share Posted December 8, 2004 damn my dodgy typing!black(berry) is exactly what I meant! Link to post Share on other sites
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