posted again to make some sense ! after talking to bloke at work about this he said thermostat, so i phoned a vw garage and after explaining what happens, needle barely moves, oil gets to around 80 not especially slowly, heater works fine, he said the sender,so iwent and bought 1, will be fitting it in the morning as not to burn my fingers! and will let you know my findings, *when i mentioned the oil temp he said depends what oil you use and that the oil coolers are good on vr's [ Edited Tue Nov 23 2004, 10:24PM ]