VRmonster 1 Posted April 10, 2004 Report Share Posted April 10, 2004 just wondering if the toe in/out is adjustable on a 93 vr. cos i jus sorted ma f*cked camber till i get it sorted professionaly. and now the toe has gone crazily outover lol. also jus to add to my knowledge database, how do i adjust it if i can... Link to post Share on other sites
acf8181 0 Posted April 10, 2004 Report Share Posted April 10, 2004 camber and toe are adjustable on golfs...camber is adjusted by loosening the shock to hub bolts then repositioning it, then tightneing the bolts.toe is adjustable with the tie rods, as are most cars.most places don't have the equiptment to adjust camber unfortuantly.i've increased my camber massively, to a suspected approx 2 degs neg...wasn't done scientifically, but i lucked in and it's a dream...lot less steering effort required, car is nice and responsive, with a touch of mid corner oversteer. please note, this is quite extreme, most peeps would prob be happier with 1 to 1.5 degs of negative camber. i believe the factory set up is 0.5 degs, which isn't enough IMO as i would destroy the outside of my tyres.i believe zero toe is best too, but am unsure about mine as i've never altered it, so i have whatever the factory recommends. Link to post Share on other sites
VRmonster 1 Posted April 10, 2004 Author Report Share Posted April 10, 2004 Thanks loads for that. Ive had the tracking/camber done before, just didnt ask about the toe. but i had some wheel to curb action recently and i think ive bent something. so im gonna get it all alligned again and see if it all falls outta place after a while. the place i took it to done the camber but not toe though. dunno why.[ Edited Sat Apr 10 2004, 11:19PM ] Link to post Share on other sites
acf8181 0 Posted April 11, 2004 Report Share Posted April 11, 2004 what did they set your camber to? Link to post Share on other sites
VRmonster 1 Posted April 11, 2004 Author Report Share Posted April 11, 2004 zero i think. not sure. with it being dropped about 80mm they didnt know what to do, weather to put it to factory or tweek it a little. i might get it set about 1 degree negative next time. but ive been driving with it set as far negative as it will go, cos i bumped her, n didnt know how to set it till recently. so now ma damn tires got 3 rings worn around it from ma coilovers. gggrrr. there £75 gone... i jus want ma toe sorted, cos the car feels like its pulling left and right as i hit potholes, its pissin me off, lol. Link to post Share on other sites
acf8181 0 Posted April 11, 2004 Report Share Posted April 11, 2004 er...i really hope they didn't set the camber to zero...as the factory setting is 0.5 i think, and zero would make it understeer badly mid-corner.i reckon you should try about 1.5degs, toe should be zero tho (i think) Link to post Share on other sites
VRmonster 1 Posted April 11, 2004 Author Report Share Posted April 11, 2004 ye, ill try 1.5. i can always get it redone l8r. Link to post Share on other sites
acf8181 0 Posted April 12, 2004 Report Share Posted April 12, 2004 you'll find you need to use less steering input as well! Link to post Share on other sites
speedo 0 Posted April 12, 2004 Report Share Posted April 12, 2004 Set the toe to 0.0, as it alters when driving to the correct setting (which obviously cant be set stationary) As for camber, set to standard, unless you have deep pockets for tyre replacement. It will chew the inner edge up quiker than roadrunner with his arse on fire.. Or you are using as a track car, when tyre wear isnt that important. Link to post Share on other sites
acf8181 0 Posted April 12, 2004 Report Share Posted April 12, 2004 As for camber' date=' set to standard, unless you have deep pockets for tyre replacement. It will chew the inner edge up quiker than roadrunner with his arse on fire.. [/quote']thats not ture...i run about two degrees, and wear the tyre completely evenly (only road driving). when i has standard camber i used to destroy the outside of the tyre.in fact, its excessive toe that usually kills the tyre, not camber. Link to post Share on other sites
speedo 0 Posted April 12, 2004 Report Share Posted April 12, 2004 Before you go getting it set up again, make sure your bushes, bearings, tyre depths and pressures are in top condition, (these play a major part of incorrect setting!) VW specify that you have a full tank of fuel, full washer bottle, corner to corner is level and the tool kit is in the boot?! Nothing else to be in the car.... anything else like subs have to acounted for..... Link to post Share on other sites
binliner 0 Posted April 12, 2004 Report Share Posted April 12, 2004 As for camber' date=' set to standard, unless you have deep pockets for tyre replacement. It will chew the inner edge up quiker than roadrunner with his arse on fire.. [/quote']thats not ture...i run about two degrees, and wear the tyre completely evenly (only road driving). when i has standard camber i used to destroy the outside of the tyre.in fact, its excessive toe that usually kills the tyre, not camber.but (if I read your earlier post correctly) you don't actually know exactly what your camber setting is, so its not really safe to say that a -2 camber won't wear tyres unevenly :| Link to post Share on other sites
acf8181 0 Posted April 12, 2004 Report Share Posted April 12, 2004 well, lets put it this way then...i have the maximum camber that is possible when runing o.e. shocks, and someone on a nother forum(who knows there stuff) has said that'll be about 2 degs. Link to post Share on other sites
VRmonster 1 Posted April 12, 2004 Author Report Share Posted April 12, 2004 thanks for the advice peeps, i knocked my wheel and threw the camber aout a load, and when i took it to get it reset, the guy said i could only adjust it 2 degrees, but it was 4.2 degrees negative, ha ha. so i think ive bent something anyway. i curbed it again in the snow, and it seemed to go back and now after a little play myself not on a bisbarth, it seems to be fine, so im prons gonna replace the wishbones, and maybe put a new arb on there and get it set again, guess its not worth going performance arb's with coilovers as ive seen in many other posts, ill weigh up the cost tho. thanks again. Link to post Share on other sites
speedo 0 Posted April 12, 2004 Report Share Posted April 12, 2004 If you have knocked you hubs in as much as poss. on OE shocks, that may be more than 2 deg. Depends on the position of the bottom ball joints ect... unless measured they wont be equal. And if you run to much negative cam. you WILL run the inner edge down quicker than standard settings, and scrub if the toe is out..ACF you might like to know that when you change the wheels from standard fit to a different ET, then the pressure points and weight distributionand forces change, so cause different tyre wear patternsIt isn`t as simple as just pushing the hub in as far as poss, and as for someone `who knows who they`re talking about` i tend to do this for a living, `beizbath` ect, and have recently return`d from the VW training center in milton keyn`s, on a refresher course for wheel alignment... phew!!! 8o) any how, VR monster, just to be on the safe side have you checked that you havent damaged anything else? Link to post Share on other sites
acf8181 0 Posted April 12, 2004 Report Share Posted April 12, 2004 er, ok, calm it kermit...i'll just say i'm happy with my setup then! Link to post Share on other sites
VRmonster 1 Posted April 12, 2004 Author Report Share Posted April 12, 2004 nah, im not too sure if anything is damaged, i had my car into my friends garage, and he said theres nothing wrong, but when he went to get the camber ect... set up he couldnt get it on the ramps ha ha. i cant see any damage but would bending the anti roll bar or wishbone alter the camber at all, or is there anything else that would if damaged. also, i knocked the inside of the wheel when i curbed it (tight bend, hit the grass and a pincurb in the middle of nowhere.) so it sent the top of the wheel in towards the inner arch, if that sheds any light on my situation. so i had the hub pulled outover as far as poss and it was still visably out, altho, it looks fine now. thanks again. Link to post Share on other sites
acf8181 0 Posted April 12, 2004 Report Share Posted April 12, 2004 i'd check your wishbones very carefully if i were you, as from the sound of it, there's a good chance that it is bent. your shock could also be bent, or your chassis.a bent arb won't affect the allighment i think. Link to post Share on other sites
speedo 0 Posted April 12, 2004 Report Share Posted April 12, 2004 It would also take a hell of a thump to bend a arb, and it shouldnt affect alignment. Like acf says, check your wishbones carefully.. they dont take a lot to bend. Look carefully at your subframe too, iv`e seen a couple of them bent before. In a previous life i once bent a hub when i hit a curb at warp speed, that was quite hard to notice. It only showed up when i put it against another and noticed the difference Link to post Share on other sites
VRmonster 1 Posted April 12, 2004 Author Report Share Posted April 12, 2004 well im replacing the wishbones anyhow, and my friend checked the shock as i asked him to ensure it wasnt damaged during the mot work i had done. dont fancy messing on with the hub, but im removing my front suspension next week for some tomfoolery, so ill probs do it all then. yas have been great on this one. Link to post Share on other sites
acf8181 0 Posted April 13, 2004 Report Share Posted April 13, 2004 not a bad idea to change wishbones anyway at some point, as the bushes will likely be worn out.i have one wishbone sitting around that i got cheap of e-bay, just gotta wait till the other one can be got hold of! lol! Link to post Share on other sites
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