Turbo!!!

[l1_lbk 0]

Sorry to ask one of the questions that people ask all the time. I was looking at supercharging me golf, but after looking into it turbo is alot better power wise yes its more money but for the power it ok.

I dont have a clue on what is needed, not even sure what turbo to get? so any help would be lovely.

Cheers

[Goldie 0]

If you know nothing about it, then turbo is not the right way for you!

[Phat VR6 3]

There is a STICKY thead above named DIY turbo. Tells you eveythink you need to know althought is very indeapth

[l1_lbk 0]

It will take about 5 years to read but give it go.

I wouldnt do it myself would never get done, ahd turbo car in past but always got some one to do bits, i just wanna get in and drive it.

[Phat VR6 3]

Get your credit card out and pay somone like steath 5-7k to sort if for you

[l1_lbk 0]

i think that may have to be done, but gotta get other bits done first. Will finish house then start thinking about turbo. will do little bits mean while

[Sarge-Devil 0]

Superchargers give smooth power and cost approx £3000...serviced they run 50k miles...better than a hot turbo

[FishWick 21]

better than a hot turbo

In your opinion.....

[l1_lbk 0]

Use to have a punto gt turbo which werent far of the 200bhp mark and in car that size it use to fly, You cant beat it when the turbo cuts in and your off.

[xyber 1]

All depends on what you want the car for when you go F/I, I chose a charger as Its easy to fit, requires no internal engine mods and kicks out less heat, Im confident doing most things on my car but draw the line at the engine internals and I didnt want to pay out for someone else to do it, plus with my car being a daily driver a charger ticked all the boxes for me, bot have pro's and con's over each other, worth doing loads of research on both, the deciding

PS charging is alot less than £3000, ive just fitted my VF-eng kit that once I pay for the re-map will have cost me £2300 for everything, including engine mounts, low temp thermostats etc and is well easy to fit, few fiddly bits but nothing drastic

[vr6turbo 27]

turbocharging your car is alot of work and money

ive been through 4 engines which i put down to ignorance and a lead foot and companies who cant rebuild a vr6 engine properlyand bad luck.

EIP sent me a 2.8 engine and told me it was a 3ltr, its now been bored to 2.9

i had my last engine and head rebuilt for an unbelievable £740 + vat they are engine remanufacture specialists and have guarenteed their work for 12 months.

so it shows what the big garages are making on rebuilds

i supplied the forged pistons (ebay special) chains and bottom end gasket set

new valves for the head( ebay special)

all i got back was crank/block/pistons and rods fitted the rest you can do your self.

so if you plan and scrimp its possible

[FishWick 21]

4 engines is bad luck for sure! Been down a similar path myself, although it cost me only 1 engine - over doing it on the dyno too soon after the build.

What I've learned over the years is to not cut corners. Buy a cheap part now, pay for it later.

For me the turbo delivers the kind of torque curve I'm after. I use a small turbo, so it's not an all or nothing delivery. Been down the charger road and for me it didn't represent good value for money because the increase in power wasn't that impressive, but it was because of the Vortech unit used more than supercharging in general.

The VR takes to forced feeding well, it's a tough engine, but if you want a fat slug of torque from 2500rpm to 7000rpm, it's got to be a turbo, or maybe a Rotrex Supercharger. The Vortechs don't do anything useful below 4000rpm.

[l1_lbk 0]

just been dowm vag tech which is place nearby which deals with all this. They say supercharger easier, cheaper also can get it in kit.

Turbo there not sure on kit, is there a kit? if not what bits would i need kevhaywire, by the sounds of it you maybe the person to tell me.

I gonna go for turbo so all help will be taken in.

Thanks

[FishWick 21]

Superchargers are indeed a lot easier, but if you plan on runnning more boost, you still need to make the same mechanical changes to the engine as you would a turbo.

I think one or two outfits are in the process of a turbo kit for UK cars, otherwise Germany and the US do kits, but probably won't fit due to them being LHD.

The important part is the exhaust manifold. Everything else is pretty much off the shelf , with just the boost pipe work, exhaust downpipe and intercooler stuff needing fabrication, but it's not that difficult tbh.

You also need to pick the right turbo that suits your driving style and preferred torque spread.

[xyber 1]

turbo wise check out AUDSPEED they also have an ebay shop and are based in canada and KINETIC, both are very helpful and have alot of experience. Just the 2 ive come across in the past, like kevhaywire says tho its the mani thats the tough part to get hold of over here. always use forums though for research as they are the people who have actually done it and lived with it and not just trying to take your cash

[l1_lbk 0]

Right been looking at the sticky, bloody hell lol.

Could do with some contacts you used please, numbers or web sites. i in no mad rush to get car on road so once i no more on what i am doing and buying i can keep getting bits then. Will have look at AUDSPEED and KINETIC aswell. Thanks

[l1_lbk 0]

Been looking on audspeed, and there not big difference in price between the gt30r and the gt35/40r. The gt35r is bigger turbo so takes longer to kick in, would you say there would be big difference in lag between the 2?

[The Transplanter 0]

Been looking on audspeed' date=' and there not big difference in price between the gt30r and the gt35/40r. The gt35r is bigger turbo so takes longer to kick in, would you say there would be big difference in lag between the 2?

[/quote']

There are a lot of variables, definately the GT30r will spool sooner than the GT35/40r. but this is not always good, if it spools to early is will promote wheelspin where as the larger turbo wont so much and will hit later, but harder and longer! Also if the hotside of the turbo is to small it will cause exhaust gas restrictions which leads to other problems. Personally I would go with the larger turbo with a suitable A/R, the extra lag would be neglagable and it will be an all round better drive. You dont even need a GT series turbo, a T3/40E with a .69 or .70 A/R hotside works perfect on the VR IMO

The most important thing with a VRTis the management, I have used the BEGI approach and its pretty poor TBH. All this does is deliver more fuel under boost, but it does nothing with the ignition :S its ok for temporary use upto about 5psi but I wouldnt recomend it unless you are mechanically simpathetic Save your money an get the motronic mapped properly, or better still, go stand alone.

As for the Audspeed kit, dont bother!!! The only decent component in their kit is the manifold, which you can buy from Tom on this site (or myself but will need to be ordered in). Learn what parts are needed then buy them from different sources, that way you will get better quality of your choice.

Al

[FishWick 21]

All sage advice. Turbo choice is always one of great debate, but if you choose poorly, you'll regret it, so think about the way you drive and how many oppurtunities you will get to spool up a big GT35/40R and evaluate your options. For me the GT30 fitted the bill, with a .82 hot side. It has both the bottom end shove aswell as enough top end shove to lose your license in seconds.

A GT3582 with 0.63 AR gives similar results, but a few hundred rpm slower to spool.

The BEGI worked fine for me up to 8psi with OBD2, but agreed, I wouldn't recommend it as a permanent solution.

Standalone is good, but one word of advice, get the best Wideband you can afford. Some are a tad iffy to say the least and give sketchy readings, so compare the readings with a known accurate one on a dyno perhaps.

[l1_lbk 0]

When you look at the kits on audspeed, the bits that you can see will be the same for RHD

Will look into different turbos then, but is the garret the one mostly used on the VR? and if so where the best place to buy these from?

This is where i learning lol, BEGI?

Sorry must be annoying with all these questions but i am new to it, so pls bear with me. thanks

P.S, PM me price on the manifold!

[joules 0]

Has anyone had experience of the EIP turbo kits as fitted by The Phrim?

I am having a Toad AI606 alarm fitted by them soon - Have asked to have a look at their VR6 Turbo.... :-p

Apparently these kits don't require any internal mods just bolt on kit..

[xyber 1]

Think id feel the need for my own piece of mind to do the internal mods, my charger kit says bolt on to a standard car, but I still fitted comp engine mounts, low temp stat, oil cooler, sports cat and a few other bits just to make it bomb proof, so with a turbo you'd want that lot to keep the temps down, plus i think i would at least change the head gasket to lower the compression. I have seen eip kits on the net advertised with a disclaimer saying that common sence must be used when using this kit! Fair enough, but that does make me think that internal work would be worth doing so I could handle what was thrown at it

[joules 0]

I've read in the past that the charger kits are prone to slipping.....anyone had any such issues?

Another reason I am currently more biased towards a turbo is the fact that there is no power loss from the engine having to turn another pulley.......just clean ponies. I would image the servicing intervals would be much closer though.

[xyber 1]

if you do experience bet slip you can get dual idlers now to cure it. Both turbo's and chargers have pro's and con's over each other and what ever one people have, they will say is better, but its really down to what you want out of your car and ideally get a ride in both.

I was tempted by a turbo, but the extra work to do it properly and dealing with the extra heat put me off a bit, atleast with my charger itll be better on fuel (fingers crossed)as its my daily driver, was fitted over a weekend and can be easily taken off and the car put back to standard.

there is no noise like a turbo'd VR6 though haha

[Radostormvr6 2]

If you run your belt round back of alternator like this, you won't get belt slip.

[lightbox=../../e107_files/public/1187717396_2420_FT184186_12thisshowsthereversebeltwraparound.jpg][/lightbox]