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As for VRs pulling harder when the torque curve is going downhill - can't say I've ever experienced that.

my bad i thought the torque graph tailed off i was wrong lookin at my graph from rr day this is EXACTLY how the car always felt to me it pulls really strong 1-2k rpm a little flat 2-3k (its actually a small trough probably caused by lack of cat/back pressure) 3-4k it shoots up and gives a pretty flat slab of torque from 4-5.8k rpm at the lowest measured point it gave around 145 lb/ft (at 1100 rpm!!!) and peaked at 187 lb/ft

suck on that vtec boys

[kobi 0]

maybe its getting late... but rado and golf VR6's hitting over 160mph..... Jackanory time me thinks.

My mate bought a brand new 330CI.

I'm too scared to race him. He's got a customer made induction kit and exhaust system on the car. Apart from that its standard (except the 19" AC Schnitzer wheels and kits and lowering kit).

231BHP has never felt so good. I've sat in porsches that dont feel as powerful or as quick as that 3.0 lump.

I'll give £50 to the 1st person with a standard VR with just an exhaust and induction kit to a) keep up with the beemer out pace it.

Not going to accuse anyone of lying about how fast their VR, but just my thoughts.

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as it happens i had a play with exactly that a new 330

set of traffic lights clear dual carriage way he launched a fraction before me (i was kinda waitin for him to go didnt wanna lauch it and look a tit if he didnt lol) which put him right on my front bumper and thats exactly where he stayed neither of us moved 1 inch we took it to 100 mph then both backed off he gave me a big thumbs up and i aint bulllshittin or exageratin im not into that

[CHRISVR6 0]

BMW's must have come a long way then, as the M3 was slower than my rado (E36 3ltr not 3.2 evo), by quite a bit 0-60 and definateley top end. when i went to edition 38 (trax was on my way there) i followed one and i was not even putting my foot down, then got to 4k and flew past it , but i spose the new ones are a lot nicer now and must have more power.

Anyone who has not driven a corrado VR6 drive one then there will be no confusion about top end and the difference in power

[tandino 1]

E36 3 litre M3 will wipe the floor with a Vr6 Corrado - still 286bhp and BMW are known for being conservative with power figures - more like 300bhp for a healthy one.

My VR6 Highline was all over the back of a VR6 Corrado on the way back from Gti Festival - the guy looked a little pissed off that a 2.8 Golf was pushing his 2.9 Rado along...

Another mate of mine from Tunbridge Wells has a M3 'vert pre Evo 3 litre and he will wipe the floor with my VR - dont see how it would be any different in a Rado tbh - especially if the M3 was lighter coupe version not a vert like my pals.....

Also cant see a 190-200bhp car pulling 162mph - my Saab T16S which was knocking out best part of 300bhp would just about pull that sort of speed - VR6 no chance (at the moment anyhow)

[anorak 0]

Gotta agree with Tandino on that one.

Test drove said 3 litre M3 coupe last month and it was defo a lot quicker than my standard Corrado. I'd put it about on par with the C once it was supercharged (257bhp).

Both Autocar and Performance Car recorded 0-100mph times of around 13 seconds for the M3 and 18 for the Corrado.

You sure the guy was trying in the Beemer, Chris?

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[CHRISVR6 0]

As for the top speed issue i cant believe no one has seen these figures before, on the corrado site they are quite common from VR6 rado's, and as for a golf VR6 (standard) and a rado VR6 (standard) well having owned both i would say with no doubt that the rado would leave the golf, as the 0-60 for the golf are 7.1 and rado 6.4, but it does depend on who is driving . And admittedly the beemer was filled with four people, and he pulled over at 130 (oh sorry my car cant go that fast, lets say 30 ) and let me go pass, but i assure you he was trying. And my previous car was a 328 coupe sport, and that was the same speed as the golf, but i know the M3 is a lot quicker, but by howmuch are they then as the M3 3.2 is 5.4 0-60 so i cant see the 3ltr beeing into the 5's bracket. !dodge

[tandino 1]

The E36 3.2 Evo is very low 5's - 3 litre non evo is still low 5's to 60....

As for the Rado's being alot quicker than the VR6 - maybe against and early obd1 car - but obd2 Golfs have been proven to kick out 185bhp+ - witness the rolling road day figures - my car has just under 160bhp at the wheels with a Miltek cat back exhaust (still have the cat fitted) - doubt there will be anything in it power wise against a 2.9 Corrado and the way i reeled in the Corrado on the way back from the Festival proves my point - probably down to driver skill as much as anything else.

I also think that driving a Corrado gives the impression that your going faster than you actually are due to the lower driving position and general feeling your sitting on something sporty - ive got a G60 remember 8)

As for the beemer letting you go at 130mph - perhaps he wanted to keep his licence and decided things were getting silly ?!

Long and short of it is - theres no real way two cars on the open road can be compared flat out - because how do you know both drivers are the same standard - one could be chaging up at the wrong time, slow gearchanges, hitting the limiter for a split second - all these things can add a good second or so to an accelerating cars time...

Pete.

[kobi 0]

Well said Pete. VR'S are great cars, but to say they will start hitting 160mph and keep up with M3's is a bit mythical.

If i see a Ferrari on the way home i'll flash my lights at him and see if he can keep up as i pass him by..

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if u flashed a farrari ud never get along side never mind past lol about a week after i bought the golf (hadnt taken it over 5k yet) i was behid an amg merc dunno which he floored it all i saw was a puff of smoke the car point skywards and it shot and i do mean flew off up the road needless to say i didnt bother tryin to catch him lol

[anorak 0]

Told you this would run and run

The "mines faster than yours" debates always do!

4 big geezers would certainly dull the sparkle of the M3 (my Golf felt noticeably slower 4 up on Sunday - said so at the time, didn't I Pete? ).

It would make your power to weight ratios much closer but I'd still put my money on the Bavarian motor in a straight sprint from rest to 160mph!

(On unrestricted roads of course).

I played the silly bugger in my Corrado twice and tried top speed runs before and after I had it 'charged. (I was MUCH younger and more foolish back then ).

Managed an indicated 148 as standard and 155 with the extra 60 horses.

Sure you'd need a lot more than standard power and the limiter taken away to hit anywhere near a true 162mph.

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i did have a play with a beemer i dont know what it was but it was deffo 4.5 litre convertable with 4 blokes in it possibly 845 i really dont know and tbh he didnt destroy me like i (and they lol) thought he would especially over 100 we only went to 120 ish a couple of times he deffinatly left me but didnt just vanish up the road i gave him somethin to think about and 1 of em gave a thumbs up but no chance in hell would i beat it under any circumstances and my car will DEFFINATELY NOT do 165 on the speedo i only got 149 with help from a huuuuuuge corvette

[CHRISVR6 0]

The beemer was loaded so that is probably why, as i only had two people in mine , but as you say tandino it is up to the driver, and lets face it beemer drivers are not that good . really not sure now how my rado managed 158 then, perhaps it did have a charger on it . And i know the golf would not do anywhere near that speed, plus aren't the gearboxes different anyway ? the golf feels a lot more powerful in lower revs to the rado but as soon as the rado hits 4k she's off.

And sorry did not realize there was much difference between obd1 and obd2 cars, if your getting 160bhp at the wheels and all you have done is a miltek and probably an air filter thats excellent

And if your stuck behind a supercharged mkiv with 275bhp at the wheels and a beemer overtakes you with waving birds- what would you do let him win or follow the golf as it explodes into action and flys off. Plus it was on a straight open motorway which i know well, anything over 94 and your risking your licence, thats why i have a angel on the road

[CHRISVR6 0]

Gotta agree with Tandino on that one.

Test drove said 3 litre M3 coupe last month and it was defo a lot quicker than my standard Corrado. I'd put it about on par with the C once it was supercharged (257bhp).

Both Autocar and Performance Car recorded 0-100mph times of around 13 seconds for the M3 and 18 for the Corrado.

You sure the guy was trying in the Beemer' date=' Chris?

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Sorry to restart this old one , but just remebered that 0-100 for the rado was 18 seconds , hows that then since 0-60 is about 6.4 (book times) so thats 11.6 seconds longer in one gear to go 40 mph faster !dodge , bit strange