lol, yup, the VR came first ( before the current GTR anyhow ) so maybe we can petition them for some kinda 'audio rights' infringement... :-p also reckon it actually sounds like an R32 vs a VR6 !! I'll be at the watford tesco for 2nites ace cafe meet mate, in a silver mk3, I got knackered front wheel bearings and or calipers so go easy during the convoy, lol...