F1 - BAR are banned (for cheating bascially)

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was sent this pdf by a mate, explaining it all...is very interesting reading....

http://www.btg-media.com/fia/fia_v_bar_the_evidence.pdf

does appear to be pretty blatant on the face of that evidence...worth remembering thats the prosecutions case though so we're only hearing one side of the story.

the jist of it though is that BAR will have been able to run underweight (by maybe upto 10kg, which is about half second a lap) in the middle stints of the race....by draining this secondary cell before first pitstop and leaving it empty, then refilling it at final stop.

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[DundeeDub 0]

got a feeling someone might be losing there job very soon

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I just don't understand how they think they can get away with these things?

Even if they don't use it to do what is being said, why make the finished car underweight? They know the cars get drained of feul and weighed at the end of the race.

Muppets.

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well....they were only running under fuel in the middle of the race....maybe upto 10kg, which is worth upto half a secon a lap...which equates to about 15 secs over the whole race, and that can be the difference between 1st and 6th! it also makes defending easier, and passing easier.

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I understand the principle of what they would achieve Andy, but they knew the car would be drained of feul at the end of the race....it always does.

They should've made a better job of hiding it shouldn't they

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[acf8181 0]

well, the car is only usually drained quickly....they wouldn't normally inspect the tank with an endoscope (which was when they found the hidden cell). i suspect someone tipped them off.

[Pittuf 0]

ahhh I see....I hadn't read it fully, didn't realise thats what they used.

Sounds like they were tipped off, as you say.

Cheaters never prosepr as the saying goes.

[DundeeDub 0]

I had the feeling that someone had tipped them off when reading it also. sounds like a big expensive fuck up though letting happen, i wonder just how high it went

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ahhh I see....I hadn't read it fully' date=' didn't realise thats what they used.

Sounds like they were tipped off, as you say.

Cheaters never prosepr as the saying goes.[/quote']

what u reckon nobody else is cheating

[acf8181 0]

well, the teams have to 'maximise' the rules, if they don't they'll be nowhere.

f1 is all about pushing things to the limit.

i have got hold of the defence case as well now....its on autosports site, but you have to be registered to read it so i can't hotlink...is also too big to copy and paste. but its almost funnily pathetic and is certainly a weak case.

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Mosley: BAR Started 2005 under Suspicion

By Alan Baldwin' date=' Reuters Friday, 06 May 2005 17:13

Formula One's governing body suspected before the start of the season that BAR were breaking the rules, FIA head Max Mosley said on Friday.

"Everybody who was really in the know in Formula One strongly suspected something was going on," the International Automobile Federation (FIA) president told a news conference at the Spanish Grand Prix.

He rejected speculation, however, that the FIA had been approached by anyone seeking a $1 million bounty offered to 'whistleblowers' coming forward with proof of cheating.

"What actually happened was that there was a general rumour in Formula One that this was going on. And whether it was or not I don't know," Mosley said.

"I personally heard about this during the winter from someone who doesn't work in Formula One but works at top level motor racing more in connection with the United States. That's how far the rumour had spread."

BAR, owned by Honda and British American Tobacco, have been banned from Sunday's Spanish Grand Prix and Monaco on May 22 for running a car at the San Marino Grand Prix that was underweight when fully drained of fuel.

The team were accused of cheating by the FIA at a midweek appeal court hearing in Paris, with the governing body requesting that they be kicked out of the Championship and fined a million euros.

The court ruled that there was insufficient evidence to support the accusation of deliberate fraud but said BAR had showed "at the least a highly regrettable negligence and lack of transparency."

Basic Error

BAR finished second last year behind Ferrari, prompting rivals to question this week whether their car was legal during that Championship.

Mosley said 2004 was a closed book as far as the FIA was concerned and doubted whether either British driver Jenson Button or Japan's Takuma Sato were in the know about the controversial fuel system.

Asked why Button's car was drained of fuel at Imola and not Michael Schumacher's Ferrari or Fernando Alonso's Renault, he replied: "Because we had good reason to believe there was something wrong with the BAR. We had no reason to believe the other cars were doing this.

"You've got to be crazy to do this. People don't do that sort of thing in Formula One any more. Probably we should check more because if it really was happening last season, which was the rumour in the paddock, we should have found it.

"It's the sort of thing people do in a club race or low grade racing. It's crude, it's primitive, it's not sophisticated electronics or the sort of things we deal with.

"So there's not the slightest reason to believe that Renault or Ferrari or any of the other teams would do it."

BAR have denied wrongdoing and attacked the suspension as 'wholly and grossly disproportionate.'

The team had threatened to take the matter to the civil courts in order to race under appeal in Spain and Monaco but they gave up that avenue on Friday, citing problems with jurisdiction.

Mosley said their case would have collapsed anyway.

"If you want in my view the truth about why they are not prepared to go to a civil court, it is that they know if they go to a civil court the whole thing would be out in the open and it would collapse in tatters," he said.

"We would have somebody cross-examining their witnesses and it would be somewhere between an embarrassment and a disaster. So that's why they won't do it."

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