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Fault codes 527 (G72) and 1247 (N80)


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Hi guys, gave the car a scan earlier today, came up with fault codes for the air intake temperature sensor and the evap canister purge valve.

I have noticed sometimes when the car is warm, when starting the engine it stalls if i don't give it some revs, i'm guessing this is to do with the air sensor. Is there a way of testing the sensor to confirm this? So far i've only tested the resistance of the sensor and at 20 degrees i got just over 1600 ohms of resistance.

Also, with the N80 valve is there a test i can do on this, as this seems quite expensive to replace!

Many thanks

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I believe the N80 can cause your ECU not to adapt.

You can perform an output test under engine, you should hear it ticking... Probably best just to replace with second hand one. Also I've heard of temp sensor causing issues, if you've had the manifold off / plugs on thermo stat housing, make sure you ain't got them mixed up ;) they looks quite similar lol

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As long as your lambda is working properly for cold start when you're up to temp it doesn't do that.

I've been running with an N80 fault due to cannister removal for 3 years and no issue' date=' my emissions are fresh air and it doesn't drink fuel.

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Lambda has nothing to do with cold start, other than using the long term fuel trims that are set from the previous drive.

The N80 I wouldn't bother worrying about' date=' its expensive and doesn't cause any problems other than the fault code.

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Wrong. A missing N80 will cause the fuel long term trims to not set. This how ever is easy to fool, if your EVAP hardware is missing, plug an injector into the plug or fit a resistor.

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Ok then, I was given wrong information by someone who should, and I trusted that they did, know what they're talking about. What rating resistor should you use to stop an N80 error code? I tried a 33ohm (I think) and it didn't remove the error, after which I asked the "specialist" and he said it was inconsequential as long as your lambda works for cold start.

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Not thread jacking but I put an injector on the N80 plug as stated above and the 01247 error hasn't come back as yet, but I've forgotten how to check the fuel trims, I tried the 032 measuring block like ross tech but it doesnt show anything so assuming its for newer cars.

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Right, got vcds lite installed on the laptop and have an obd cable. Looked at block 4, to check fuel trims is this 'tank vent op.mode (ACF)'? Getting readings from 0.99 up to 1.06, but have no idea what this means!

Also, the 00527 code keeps reappearing!!! I've replaced this sensor. On vcds the temperature shown by this sensor when the engine is off is -46.5oc (with ignition on) But when the engine is running the sensor reads as you'd expect-slightly higher than ambient temperature due to the location of the sensor.

Any guidance would be much appreciated :)

Edit: I found when the fault code was cleared, the inlet air temp sensor still read -46.5oc, then after a few seconds it bumped up to around 20oc, am i right in saying the ecu reads a default temperature if no reading is taken from the sensor? Vcds is also saying its a short to earth, think i'll need to pull it all apart and locate is there is a short in the wiring somewhere...suppose while its all apart I should whip off the thermostat housing and fix the small leak its got as well.

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Finally have this resolved! Found there was a short to earth according to vcds, traced the wire back to the main engine harness connector and found a bent pin. Guess what, this was the grounding pin for the air inlet temperature sensor, so straightened it out and have a working sensor again. Also put back in the genuine sensor as I prefer that to the patent part I replaced it with.

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