Well I have found the main boxso will hopefull be able to speak to my clifford person monday rest of today is stripping the old paint off the alloys and sorting out the corrosion, they are taking a lot more work than i expected . the amount of time they are taking it maybe better to ship them out to someone else to do. Just the time vs life thingy that if i pay 45 a wheel and i get them back in 1 day but it takes me 2 days per wheel cost of my life is more than the cost to get someone else to do it if you understand but then there is the satisfaction of doing it myself.