id have the new 4.2 v8 s4 over a scoob any day of the week much more of a sleeper for a start acf afaik uv had more probs than most of us put together i really do think u got 1 of the few bad uns m8 i absolutely love the vr my last car was an 8v cav sri which wasnt a nail and i looked after it and i had FAR more trouble with that i had to pay my mechanic pretty much every week [ Edited Wed Nov 03 2004, 06:42PM ]